Progressive Obama Values vs. Conservative American Values? Abortions–Over 50 Million American Babies Killed vs. Waterboarding–Millions of Americans Still Alive–Truth and Consequences

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“We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. …”

~United States Declarationf of Indpendence

adopted by the Second Continental Congress on July 4, 1776

“As a nation today, we have not rejected the sanctity of human life. The American people have not had an opportunity to express their view on the sanctity of human life in the unborn. I am convinced that Americans do not want to play God with the value of human life. It is not for us to decide who is worthy to live and who is not. Even the Supreme Court’s opinion in Roe v. Wade did not explicitly reject the traditional American idea of intrinsic worth and value in all human life; it simply dodged this issue.”

~President Ronald Reagan

“…The plain and tragic fact is that Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry are effectively carrying out the eugenic policies that Margaret Sanger initiated with the Negro Project nearly 65 years ago.

Consider these alarming facts:

  • 94% of all abortion clinics in this country are located in metropolitan areas;
  • Although Black America accounts for only 13% of our current population, nearly 36% of all abortions are performed on African Americans;
  • Each day in America, over 1200 African American preborn babies are lost to abortion;
  • In numerous cities across America, there are a greater number of abortions than live births among African American women;
  • Abortion is the number one cause of death among African Americans surpassing all other causes combined. …”

~Losing our legacy Abortion in Black America

http://www.abortioninblackamerica.com/genocide.html

Margaret Sanger started Black Genocide under Planned Parenthoood and Black Leaders Turn Deaf Ear

President Obama positon on abortion is that he is pro-choice or pro-abortion.

Stop Black Genocide

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President Obama believes an American woman should have the legal right to either have a baby or killing the baby with the assistance of a medical doctor.

Since the Supreme Court handed down the Roe vs. Wade decision in 1973, there have been over 50 million American babies killed by their mothers and doctors in the United States.

Since 1973 the number of black babies killed by abortion exceeds 17 million where the total black population in the United States in 2009 is about 42 million.

abortion

http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/facts/abortionstats.html

Number of abortions per 1,000 women aged 15-44, by year

abortions_1973_2005

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

This year in the United States over 1 million babies will be killed by abortion and over 400,000 will be black babies.

Barack Obama Abortion Montage

Best Of: Obama Tackles Abortion at Notre Dame

Abortion and Black Genocide (Barack Obama and the Negro Project)

Victor Davis Hanson Questions Obama’s Political Past

Victor Davis Hanson: Obama, Palin, and the Culture Wars

http://fora.tv/2008/10/20/Victor_Davis_Hanson_Obama_Palin_and_the_Culture_Wars

 Background Articles and Videos

 Obama calls for ‘fair-minded words’

By Carol E. Lee Carol E. Lee

“I do not suggest that the debate surrounding abortion can or should go away,”  Obama said in a commencement address he delivered at the Catholic university, after receiving an honorary degree. “Because no matter how much we may want to fudge it — indeed, while we know that the views of most Americans on the subject are complex and even contradictory — the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable.”

“Each side will continue to make its case to the public with passion and conviction,” Obama added. “But surely we can do so without reducing those with differing views to caricature.”

Obama called for a new, more respectful tone on the issue, marked by “open hearts, open minds, fair-minded words.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090517/pl_politico/22611

64% Say 17-Year-Olds Need to Talk to Parents Before Taking ‘Morning-After’ Pill

“…Fifty-eight percent (58%) of Americans say abortion is morally wrong most of the time. Twenty-five percent (25%) disagree.

Sixty-four percent (64%) of women believe most abortions are morally wrong, a view shared by just 51% of men. Eighty-eight percent (88%) of pro-lifers agree, as do 29% of those who are pro-choice.

Most Americans (52%) now think it is too easy to get an abortion in America. That’s up slightly from two years ago when 45% thought it was too easy. Earlier this year, the number who thought it was too easy had declined.

Just 13% now say it’s too hard to get an abortion, while 21% believe the current availability is about right.

Most Republicans (68%) and adults not affiliated with either major party (52%) say abortion is too easy in this country. Among Democrats, 37% say it’s too easy, 17% too hard and 27% about right.

Eighty-four percent (84%) of pro-life Americans think it’s too easy to get an abortion here, and 20% of pro-choice adults agree. A plurality of those who are pro-choice (41%) say the level of difficulty involved is about right.

While abortion is an issue that many voters are passionate about, it ranks low on the list of issues that voters consider Very Important. …”

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/may_2009/64_say_17_year_olds_need_to_talk_to_parents_before_taking_morning_after_pill

Abortion statistics and other data

by Wm. Robert Johnstonlast updated 18 November 2008″…Comments on abortion statistics

Abortion statistics and other data is intended to improve the accessibility of abortion statistics. It is under continuing development. The reader should be aware that abortion statistics are often hard to obtain, and those statistics that are available are frequently inaccurate.Official abortion statistics are often low due to incomplete reporting. In the United States, for example, not all states mandate such reporting. Even in those states that require or encourage reporting of abortion statistics, this reporting is incomplete (as demonstrated by higher numbers reported to abortion advocacy organizations). From 1988 to 1997, the total number of U.S. abortions reported to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control was 11.3% lower than the total number reported to the Alan Guttmacher Institute (the research branch of Planned Parenthood). In 1998 four states discontinued state-level gathering of abortion statistics, contributing to the 25.4% drop in CDC figures from 1997 to 1998.In contrast, other organizations that provide estimates of abortion statistics may be motivated to inflate the numbers. Currently, the Alan Guttmacher Institute is an important source for estimates of both legal and illegal abortions worldwide. AGI is an extension of an organization engaged in intense political lobbying for the completely unrestrained practice of abortion. High abortion rates are in their political (and financial) interests for a number of reasons. For example, high numbers of illegal abortions are an element of their rationalization for legalized abortion.

Thus, when AGI estimates high rates of illegal abortions in the developing world these estimates bear scrutiny. Many such estimates are based on limited surveys. Some such surveys are limited to urban areas, which are not representative of rural areas. Other studies use compound assumptions to develop a figure for illegal abortions from data on hospitalizations for miscarriages. …”

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.html

Losing our legacy

Abortion in Black America

“…Today, Planned Parenthood openly rejects any adherence to the eugenic philosophies and racist views of Margaret Sanger. In fact, Planned Parenthood’s website devotes an extensive discussion about Margaret Sanger trying to explain away what is characterized as these anti-choice myths and distortions.

But the legacy of Margaret Sanger lives on. The plain and tragic fact is that Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry are effectively carrying out the eugenic policies that Margaret Sanger initiated with the Negro Project nearly 65 years ago.

Consider these alarming facts:

  • 94% of all abortion clinics in this country are located in metropolitan areas;
  • Although Black America accounts for only 13% of our current population, nearly 36% of all abortions are performed on African Americans;
  • Each day in America, over 1200 African American preborn babies are lost to abortion;
  • In numerous cities across America, there are a greater number of abortions than live births among African American women;
  • Abortion is the number one cause of death among African Americans surpassing all other causes combined. …”

http://www.abortioninblackamerica.com/genocide.html

Pithiest summation of Obama’s abortion remarks at Notre Dame

By Michelle Malkin

“He might have called for toning down the rhetoric but his abortion policies are tuned up on steroids.”

Greg Mueller.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/17/pithiest-summation-of-obamas-abortion-remarks-at-notre-dame/

Showdown at Notre Dame

By Michelle Malkin

An estimated 20,000 protesters are expected this weekend to oppose Catholic Notre Dame’s embrace of abortion militant Barack Obama.

Eighteen were arrested today at the gates of the university.

More than 360,000 have signed a protest petition.

The White House is pooh-poohing the controversy:

The White House has responded to opposition to President Obama’s appearance at the University of Notre Dame, claiming that only “one group” is organizing a boycott and pointing to other groups who support the president’s commencement speech and reception of an honorary degree.

“I think there’s one group organizing a boycott and, as best I can understand it, there are 23 groups that have formed in support of the president’s invitation,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs.

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/15/showdown-at-notre-dame/

The Negro Project

Slide and Lecture Presentation

An Overview of Abortion in the United States

http://www.guttmacher.org/presentations/ab_slides.html

http://www.guttmacher.org/sections/abortion.php?scope=U.S.%20specific

Bush Memos Suggest Abuse Isn’t Torture If a Doctor Is There

by Sheri Fink,

“…According to the U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel, which wrote the memos, legal approval to use waterboarding, sleep deprivation and other abusive techniques pivoted on the existence of a “system of medical and psychological monitoring” of interrogations. Doctors, psychologists and other medical personnel were assigned to monitor interrogations and intervene to ensure that interrogators didn’t cause “serious or permanent harm” and thus violate the U.S. federal statute against torture [3].

The reasoning sounds almost circular. As one memo [4], from May 2005, put it: “The close monitoring of each detainee for any signs that he is at risk of experiencing severe physical pain reinforces the conclusion that the combined use of interrogation techniques is not intended to inflict such pain.”

In other words, as long as medically trained personnel were present and approved of the techniques being used, it was not torture.

The memos provide official confirmation of both much-reported [5] and previously unknown roles of doctors, psychologists, physician assistants and others in the CIA’s Office of Medical Services (OMS). The government’s lawyers characterized these medical roles as “safeguards” for detainees.

Medical oversight was present from the beginning of the special interrogation program following the 9/11 attacks and appears to have grown more formalized over the program’s existence. The earliest of the four memos [6], from August 2002, states that a medical expert with experience in the military’s Survival Evasion Resistance, Escape [7] training would be present during waterboarding of detainee Abu Zubaydah and would put a stop to procedures “if deemed medically necessary to prevent severe medical or physical harm to Zubaydah.” (All interrogation techniques, the memos said, were “imported” from the military training.) …”

http://www.propublica.org/article/memos-suggest-abuse-isnt-torture-if-a-doctor-is-there-417

Liz Cheney: Waterboarding isn’t torture because of SERE training

SERE Survival Evasion Resistance Escape USAF Air Force

Waterboarding Saves Lives…

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4 Responses to “Progressive Obama Values vs. Conservative American Values? Abortions–Over 50 Million American Babies Killed vs. Waterboarding–Millions of Americans Still Alive–Truth and Consequences”

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Why should one be considered good and the other evil, are they not both repugnant? Is not torture as great a sin as abortion? Do not both deny the basic and holy principle of life? Can it not be assumed that God, our Father in Heaven, who looks upon all sin with intolerance, finds nothing more virtuous in the sadism of waterboarding than he does in the snuffing out of innocent lives?

I agree that both abortion and torture are repugnant and sinful.

Do not quickly put waterboarding as described in the DOJ legal opinion in the CIA memos as torture.

Reasonable people can agree or disagree on what is or is not torture and where the line is.

Given that thousands of professional soldiers have been waterboarded as part of their training, a fair case can be made that waterboarding as practiced by the US military and CIA were not torture.

Even if waterboarding were legal that does not make it moral.

I oppose both abortion and waterboarding.

However they are not morally equavalent.

Abortion almost always involves death of the unborn.

Waterboarding practiced as an enhanced interrogration technique (EIT) by the US government apparently saved many lives in preventing terrorist attacks similiar in scope as to that of 9-11.

The three prisoners or detainees interrogated and waterboarded are still alive.

President Obama seems more concerned about the welfare of suspected terrorists than unborn Americans, particularly black babies.

Why does Obama have such a radical view of abortion?

Could it be financial support of the Rockerfellers and their foundations who also are huge supporters of Planned Parenthood for many decades and at one time eugenics?

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