The Big Obama Lie: CIA Enhanced Interrogation Techniques Do Not Get Results and Are Torture–Release the Memos Detailing The Results of The Interrogation!

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Still Standing Success of CIA Enhanced Interrogation Techniques

US Bank Tower, formerly the Library Tower in Los Angeles

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Los Angeles downtown: library courtyard to U.S. Bank tower 

Top of the US Bank Tower Downtown Los Angeles

The City of Los Angeles


 

CIA memo charges ‘possible’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTj2J_GwFN8

 

Obama Speaking To CIA Defends Release Of Torture Memos

Cheney Formally Asks CIA to Release Torture Memos

Ex CIA Chief Michael Hayden: Barack Obama Has Compromised National Security — 4.19.09

Four Former C.I.A. Directors Opposed Release Of Torture Memos

Obama Helps Our Enemies by releasing CIA Interrogation (torture) Memos – American weaklings

Bill Kristol calls the release of the CIA Interrogation Memos “Pathetic”

Obama Administration Will Not Rule Out Prosecuting Bush For Torture!

Karl Rove On Hannity Responds To Obama

Obama’s Backstabbing [CIA Memos]—Glenn Beck’s ‘One Thing’: 04-22-09


 

President Obama big lie is enhanced interrogation techniques as outlined in the recently released Central Intelligence Agency memos do not work and the techniques are torture.

The President knows that the techniques do work for the simple reason the blacked out sections of the memos reference the results of the intelligence gained from the interrogation.

This is the reason former Vice-President Cheney is insisting that the results of the interrogation also be released.

The full story needs to be told. How many Americans are living today by the prevention of one terrorist attack?

Transparency means full, fair, and complete disclosure of the facts and circumstances and and not just legal opinion memos.

The selective release of memos is not tranparency, far from it.

President Obama would rather play politics with the release of these memos, than protecting the safety and security of the American people.

Besides lying and misleading the American people about the techniques, why release this information in the first place?

President Obama must have known that Vice-President Cheney and others in the Bush Administration know the full story and would insist on as much as possible be released.

The release of the CIA memos is a betrayal of those in CIA and Armed Forces who risk their livies to protect the nation and the American people.

The release of the CIA memos is a betrayal of the American people who rely on  President  Obama and the Federal Government to protect them from terrorist attacks.

The release of the CIA memos is a betrayal of the oath of office by the President Obama.

The release of the CIA memos is a big distraction that will also placate Obama’s radical socialist base.

His former pastor would be cheering President Obama on:

Obama Pastor: God Damn America

Both President Obama and his politcal strategist, David Axelrod, are trying to distract both the American people and the media from a real threat to their property and liberty.

The Obama administration is attempting to nationalize the banking system and control over who gets credit or loans both business and personal.

This will require continuing huge bailouts of banks who have significant exposure from so-called troubled assets or bad investments made by the banks in mortgaged-backed securites and derivative securities.

The vast majority of the American people continue to oppose the huge bailouts of banks that recklessly invested in these securities using signficant amounts of leverage or borrowed money.

These banks should be put into FDIC receivership and either sold off to other successful banks or investors or liquidated.

The Federal government should not own these banks or any other businesses.

The release of the CIA enhanced interrogation or so-called “torture”  memos is a very big distraction to divert attention from what the Treasury Department is trying to do.

Keep your hands on your wallet and focus in on what the tax cheat, Secretary Geithner is doing and proposing.

Boycott bailedout banks and transfer your business and accounts to a  successfully run privately owned bank.

The President compounded his mistake of releasing the CIA memos by stating that he might prosecute the lawyers who drafted the policy on interrogations.

This is simply despicable and incompetent.

Start doing this and the President should remember two parties can play this game.

Legal discovery might prove embarrassing to the President and his staff and the leadership of the Democratic party.

The Congressional leadership of both parties were briefed and approved of the enhanced interrogation techniques.

When I heard that President Obama had flip-flopped on the issue of pursing past Administration officials, I immediately thought of Obama’s major supporter George Soros and thought he was behind this sudden change in policy.

One of the worlds wealthiest men call bush a Nazi

Neil Cavuto’s interview of George Soros Part 1

Neil Cavuto’s interview of George Soros Part 2

Apparently I was right.

The word has gone out that Soros and his funded organizations still want to pursue both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney as war criminals over the Iraq war.

The irony is that George Soros rightly points out that people must recognize their mistakes.

People are not infallible.

Soros fails to apply this principle to his own policy positions and agenda.

The majority of the American people are appalled by most of Soros’ agenda and policy positions:

George Soros: Barack Obama’s Money Man and Agenda Puppeter

 

Thus the first step of was for the Obama Administration to go after the attorneys that offerred legal opinions on what was and was not permissable interrogation techniques.

President Obama should have ignored Soros and his funded organizations and supporters.

President Obama should not have released the CIA memos nor should he have indicated he might pursue the attorneys that provided their legal opinions.

Had President Obama been his own man, he would have told George Soros that he was not going to criminalize policy differences and prosecute President Bush and Vice President Cheney.  

Instead, President Obama put the American people, our military and intelligence forces at risk by releasing the CIA memos.

Both George Soros and President Obama provided an iconic example of fallibility in their handling of the CIA memos on enhanced interrogation techniques.

I am affraid for my country for I believe this is only the first of many more massive mistakes not only in area of foreign policy but also in the areas of economic and domestic policy.

There will be a day of reckoning for President Obama when the United States is again attacked by the Islamic terrorists.

“I Was There” Tribute to September 11, 2001


 

The American people will ask,”why Mr. President did you help the enemies of the United States by releasing these memos?”

The cheering will stop and the booing will begin in earnest.

The Tea Parties will be coming to Washington D.C. on July 4, 2009 to deliver the message in person.

Unfortunately by July 4, 2009 the official unemployment will exceed 10% and more than 20 million Americans will be looking for full time jobs.

The American people will have very little patience or tolerance for a President of the United States or a political party who wants to criminalize policy differences with past Administrations.

Both the President’s and Congress’ approval ratings will be in free fall and hitting new lows.

Join the Second American Revolution

 

Second American Revolution–Tea Party Celebrations–Washington Fair–July 4, 2009–An Open Invitation To The American People 

American People’s Plan = 6 Month Tax Holiday + FairTax = Real Hope + Real Change!–Millions To March On Washington D.C. Saturday, July 4, 2009!

 

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Cheney Spies On Obama

Waterboarding Saves Lives…

 

 

Background Articles and Videos

 

What Releasing the CIA Memos is Really About

By Lee Cary

“…It’s realistic, not cynical, to assume political entities generally act out of their own self-interests. And political self-interests are what the CIA memos are really about.

The oldest declassified CIA memo is from 2002, the youngest from 2005. So one question is about timing. Why now? Another is about content. What do they offer that’s new?

 

The bulk of material can be grouped under two headings: (1) Elaborate lawyerly parsing of legal terms (like “shocks the conscience”) coupled with citations of case law; and, (2) redundant descriptions of enhanced interrogation techniques. The most controversial technique, waterboarding, is a rehash of what we’ve heard before, and often. It was only used on three high-value captives. The less aggressive techniques won’t make headlines, unless a fraternity uses one to haze a pledge and someone dies accidently.        

 

The explanations for, and consequences of, publishing the documents spin in two directions.

 

David Axelrod says is all about Obama respecting the law and being transparent.  He called releasing the documents a “weighty decision” that took Obama weeks to make as he balanced two principles. “One is … the sanctity of covert operations … and keeping faith with the people who do them, and the impact on national security, on the one hand. And the other was the law and his belief in transparency.” (“A wise ruler ought never to keep faith when by doing so it would be against his interests.” Niccolo Machiavelli) …”

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/04/what_releasing_the_cia_memos_i.html 

58% Say Release of CIA Memos Endangers National Security

“…Fifty-eight percent (58%) believe the Obama administration’s recent release of CIA memos about the harsh interrogation methods used on terrorism suspects endangers the national security of the United States. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 28% believe the release of the memos helps America’s image abroad.

Thirty-seven percent (37%) of voters now believe the U.S. legal system worries too much about protecting individual rights when national security is at stake. But 21% say the legal system is too concerned about protecting national security. Thirty-three percent (33%) say the balance between the two is about right.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics2/58_say_release_of_cia_memos_endangers_national_security

 

 Document: Cheney, Rice signed off on interrogation techniques

“…A newly declassified narrative of the Bush administration’s advice to the CIA on harsh interrogations shows that the small group of Justice Department lawyers who wrote memos authorizing harsh interrogation techniques were operating not on their own but with direction from top administration officials, including then-Vice President Dick Cheney and National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice.

At the same time, the narrative suggests that then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and then-Secretary of State Colin Powell were largely left out of the decision-making process.

The narrative, posted Wednesday on the Senate Intelligence Committee’s Web site and released by its former chairman, Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., came as Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters that he’d “follow the evidence wherever it takes us” in deciding whether to prosecute any Bush administration officials who authorized harsh techniques that are widely considered torture.

In a statement accompanying the narrative’s release, Rockefeller said the task of declassifying interrogation and detention opinions “is not complete” and urged prompt declassification of other opinions from 2006 and 2007 that he said would show how Bush Justice Department officials interpreted laws governing torture and war crimes. …”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/117/story/66727.html

Pressure grows on Obama to call for interrogation panel 

“…Congress remains divided. Some prominent Democrats, led by Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Rep. Nancy Pelosi of California, the speaker of the House of Representatives, favor a commission, but others don’t, and many liberals balk at offering immunity from prosecution for what they think are crimes.

Republicans oppose any commission. They say its purpose would be vindictive against the Bush administration and would criminalize policy differences.

Other Democrats prefer to wait for a closed-door Senate Intelligence Committee inquiry to finish before deciding about an independent commission — but that could take six months or more. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Thursday that “until we get that information, I think we would all be better off relaxing.”

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, meanwhile, is proposing a sort of pre-commission, in which the attorney general would tap a group of “distinguished” experts such as retired judges to examine the available evidence privately and recommend whether further investigation is warranted.

Still other Democrats await the conclusions of a Justice Department inquiry into whether Bush administration lawyers acted professionally in shaping their legal justifications for the techniques in question, including waterboarding, the simulated drowning of detainees.

Following Obama’s release last week, however, of four memos detailing those techniques, and the subsequent political firestorm, the clamor for another investigation is growing. On Thursday, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., told MSNBC, “I’m sure there’ll be some form of investigation in Congress.” …”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66805.html

Bush-era interrogations: From waterboarding to forced nudity

By Margaret Talev and Marisa Taylor

“…Another memo on the same day, written by then-OLC head Steven Bradbury, described “prototypical interrogation.” These techniques could be authorized for up to a month at a time, during which a detainee is stripped, shackled and hooded with a collar attached to his neck. As soon as the detainee does anything “inconsistent” with the interrogators’ instructions, the interrogators use an “insult slap or abdominal slap.”

The techniques Bradbury approved included “walling,” sleep deprivation, liquid diets and forced nudity except for an adult diaper. If medical personnel approved, repeated sessions could be initiated. Interrogators also were permitted to use a water hose to douse a detainee for several minutes.

In one memo, Bradbury signed off on a long list of limits on interrogation — including setting a maximum of 180 hours for sleep deprivation and allowing for no more than 12 minutes of waterboarding daily. Overall, no detainee could be waterboarded for more than a month.

Bradbury also discussed in detail the legal questions raised by using the various techniques.

“Our conclusion is straightforward with respect to all but two of the techniques . . . ” Bradbury wrote, adding that the use of sleep deprivation and waterboarding “involve more substantial questions, with the waterboard presenting the most substantial question.”

Bradbury noted that Congress’ prohibitions, written to meet U.S. obligations under international law, referred to actions constituting torture must be “specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering.

His memo went on to say, “drawing distinctions among gradations of pain is obviously not an easy task.”

Basing his opinion partly on specialized military training, Bradbury urged “great caution” in the use of waterboarding and sleep deprivation, but concluded the methods as described by the CIA in specific instances didn’t constitute torture. …”

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/white-house/story/66339.html

Public to White House: Move on; Pentagon prepares to release more torture photos

By Michelle Malkin  

 

Results from the latest Rasmussen poll show a public more in tune with Dick Cheney than George Soros: …”

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/

Another day, another Obama flip-flop

By Michelle Malkin  

More Obama backtracking that will not surprise you, via ABC News:

President Obama suggested today that it remained a possibility that the Justice Department might bring charges against officials of the Bush administration who devised harsh interrogation policies that some see as torture.

He also suggested that if there is any sort of investigation into these past policies and practices, he would be more inclined to support an independent commission outside the typical congressional hearing process.

Both statements represented breaks from previous White House statements on the matter.

Calling the Bush-era memos providing legal justifications for enhanced interrogation methods “reflected us losing our moral bearings,” the president said that he did not think it was “appropriate” to prosecute those CIA officers who “carried out some of these operations within the four corners of the legal opinions or guidance that had been provided by the White House.”

But in clear change from language he and members of his administration have used in the past, the president said that “with respect to those who formulated those legal decisions, I would say that is going to be more of a decision for the Attorney General within the parameters of various laws and I don’t want to prejudge that. I think that there are a host of very complicated issues involved there.”

Just yesterday, asked by a reporter as to why the administration was not seeking to “hold accountable” Bush administration lawyers who may have “twisted the law,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, “the President is focused on looking forward, that’s why.”

The president made his remarks in the Oval Office during a joint press availability with His Majesty King Abdullah II Ibn Al Hussein. …”

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/21/another-day-another-obama-flip-flop/

 

U.S. Bank Tower

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“…The US Bank Tower, formerly the Library Tower and First Interstate World Center, is a skyscraper located at 633 West Fifth Street in downtown Los Angeles. It is the ninth-tallest building in the United States, the tallest North American skyscraper west of the Mississippi River, the tallest building in California, and the tallest building with a helipad on the roof (this is required by the city building code). Rising 1,018 feet (310.3 m) in height, it is also the 31st-tallest building in the world as of March 2008. Until the construction of Taipei 101, it was also the tallest building in a major active seismic region; its structure was designed to resist an earthquake of 8.3 on the Richter scale. It consists of 73 stories above ground and two parking levels below ground. Construction began in 1987 with completion in 1989. The building was designed by Henry N. Cobb of the architectural firm Pei Cobb Freed & Partners and cost $350 million to build. It is one of the most recognizable buildings[citation needed] in Los Angeles, often used in establishing shots for the city in films and television programs.

The building is also known as the Library Tower due to its location across the street from the Los Angeles Central Library; it was built as part of the $1 billion redevelopment of the Library following two disastrous fires in 1986. The City of Los Angeles sold air rights to the developers of the tower to help pay for the reconstruction of the library. The building was also known for a time as First Interstate World Center after being bought by First Interstate Bank. After First Interstate merged with Wells Fargo Bank the name Library Tower was restored. In March 2003 the property was leased by U.S. Bancorp and the building was renamed U.S. Bank Tower. Residents, however, generally continue to refer to it as the Library Tower.

The tower has a large glass “crown” at its top that is illuminated at night. The crown is lighted with red and green during the Christmas holiday season. It is also lit with purple and gold when the Los Angeles Lakers are playing in the NBA Playoffs and blue and white on Opening Day for the Los Angeles Dodgers. The crown was also lit with red, white and blue during the July 4 holidays, but that practice ended in 2003.

On February 28, 2004, two U.S. Bank logo signs, each standing 75 feet (23 m) high, were installed on the crown, amid controversy for their effect on the aesthetic appearance of the building (as was the case previously when First Interstate Bank’s logos were placed on the crown between 1990 and 1998). …”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Bank_Tower

The LA Tower Plot

“…Yesterday, I noted Marc Thiessen’s op-ed in which he asserted that the interrogation of KSM helped thwart an attack on the Library Tower in Los Angeles. Thiessen was citing a freshly declassified May 2005 memo (PDF), which states (referencing a CIA “effectiveness memo”) that, “the interrogation of KSM — once enhanced techniques were employed–led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into a building in Los Angeles.'”  Yesterday, CNSNews reported that the CIA was standing by this claim.

But in Slate, Timothy Noah explains that the timeline doesn’t add up: …”

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/04/22/the-la-tower-plot

Press Briefing on the West Coast Terrorist Plot by Frances Fragos Townsend, Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism

“…The President today highlighted one example of a disrupted plot, in which al Qaeda intended to use a hijacked airliner to attack the West Coast of the United States. I should say, he used the phrase “Liberty Tower,” that should have been “Library Tower.” This plot is an instructive and chilling reminder of al Qaeda’s global connections and their intention to attack our homeland. More importantly, it makes clear to the American public that there’s an ongoing and effective international cooperation that is working to undermine al Qaeda’s attempts to attack us. It also reminds us that we must continue to gather as much information as possible and from all sources, especially detainee debriefings and intelligence operations, to reveal the evolving terrorist networks and plots.

In telling the American public about this foiled plot, we have to be sensitive to the need to protect sources and methods since we are dealing with the ongoing threat from al Qaeda — and you’ll appreciate that’s why the President doesn’t name the countries, the particular allies or the particulars of the sources and methods to glean the operational leads that led to the disruption of the plot.

As you’ll all recall, the September 11th attack was conceived as a broader plot than what was actually executed. It was meant to include — it was intended, in its initial, formative stages, to include by the East Coast and the West Coast plots. It was bin Laden who decided that it should just focus on the East Coast, and that the West Coast should be held in abeyance until there was a — as a follow-on attack. It’s our understanding now that it was too difficult to get enough operatives for both the East and West Coast plots at the same time.

Khalid Shaykh Muhammad was the individual who led this effort. He initiated the planning for the West Coast plot after September 11th, in October of 2001. KSM, working with Hambali in Asia, recruited the members of the cell. There was a total of four members of the cell. When they — KSM, himself, trained the leader of the cell in late 2001 or early 2002 in the shoe bomb technique. You all will recall that there was the arrest of the shoe bomber, Richard Reid, in December of 2001, and he was instructing the cell leader on the use of the same technique.

After the cell — the additional members of the cell, in addition to the leader, were recruited, they all went — the cell leader and the three other operatives went to Afghanistan where they met with bin Laden and swore biat — that is an oath of loyalty to him — before returning to Asia, where they continued to work under Hambali.

The cell leader was arrested in February of 2002, and as we begin — at that point, the other members of the cell believed that the West Coast plot has been canceled, was not going forward. You’ll recall that KSM was then arrested in April of 2003 — or was it March — I’m sorry, March of 2003.

The ongoing cooperation between — and information exchange between all of the international partners of the various countries involved in this operation permitted us to continue to get more leads, even after Hambali’s arrest. And it permitted us — even after KSM’s arrest, I’m sorry. And that allowed us to follow the path of Hambali, who was ultimately arrested in August of 2003.

The case, I think more than anything, underscores the importance of real-time information sharing. And the fact is, if we don’t — by sharing the information, by working with others and sharing information real-time, while it can be a slow process — you can see we unraveled this over a period of years, this information allows us to get the dots, as the 9/11 Commission put it. And it’s only by collecting those dots and sharing them with each other, something that in isolation may not seem significant, we put together the picture that permits us to disrupt it. It is of critical importance that we build these relationships, that we foster these relationships of cooperation and trust with our allies. And, frankly, they’ve done nothing but get stronger since 9/11. …”

http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/library/news/2006/02/sec-060209-whitehouse02.htm

USA: Release of CIA interrogation memos

How To Make A Terrorist Cry

 

Three Torture Myths

 

Rush Limbaugh with Greta: He Calls Barack Obama Out on Hugo Chavez Controversy — 4.20.09

 

Justice Department Memos on Interrogation Techniques

http://documents.nytimes.com/justice-department-memos-on-interrogation-techniques#p=1

Another day, another Obama flip-flop

By Michelle Malkin  

“…More Obama backtracking that will not surprise you, via ABC News:

President Obama suggested today that it remained a possibility that the Justice Department might bring charges against officials of the Bush administration who devised harsh interrogation policies that some see as torture.

He also suggested that if there is any sort of investigation into these past policies and practices, he would be more inclined to support an independent commission outside the typical congressional hearing process.

Both statements represented breaks from previous White House statements on the matter.

Calling the Bush-era memos providing legal justifications for enhanced interrogation methods “reflected us losing our moral bearings,” the president said that he did not think it was “appropriate” to prosecute those CIA officers who “carried out some of these operations within the four corners of the legal opinions or guidance that had been provided by the White House.”

But in clear change from language he and members of his administration have used in the past, the president said that “with respect to those who formulated those legal decisions, I would say that is going to be more of a decision for the Attorney General within the parameters of various laws and I don’t want to prejudge that. I think that there are a host of very complicated issues involved there.”

Just yesterday, asked by a reporter as to why the administration was not seeking to “hold accountable” Bush administration lawyers who may have “twisted the law,” White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, “the President is focused on looking forward, that’s why.”

The president made his remarks in the Oval Office during a joint press availability with His Majesty King Abdullah II Ibn Al Hussein. …”

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/21/another-day-another-obama-flip-flop/

 

The CIA’s Questioning Worked

 

“…Consider the Justice Department memo of May 30, 2005. It notes that “the CIA believes ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al Qaeda has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since 11 September 2001.’ . . . In particular, the CIA believes that it would have been unable to obtain critical information from numerous detainees, including [Khalid Sheik Mohammed] and Abu Zubaydah, without these enhanced techniques.” The memo continues: “Before the CIA used enhanced techniques . . . KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will find out.’ ” Once the techniques were applied, “interrogations have led to specific, actionable intelligence, as well as a general increase in the amount of intelligence regarding al Qaeda and its affiliates.”

Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques “led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.” KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that “information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave.’ ” In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York. …”

“…Critics claim that enhanced techniques do not produce good intelligence because people will say anything to get the techniques to stop. But the memos note that, “as Abu Zubaydah himself explained with respect to enhanced techniques, ‘brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship.” In other words, the terrorists are called by their faith to resist as far as they can — and once they have done so, they are free to tell everything they know. This is because of their belief that “Islam will ultimately dominate the world and that this victory is inevitable.” The job of the interrogator is to safely help the terrorist do his duty to Allah, so he then feels liberated to speak freely.

This is the secret to the program’s success. And the Obama administration’s decision to share this secret with the terrorists threatens our national security. Al-Qaeda will use this information and other details in the memos to train its operatives to resist questioning and withhold information on planned attacks. CIA Director Leon Panetta said during his confirmation hearings that even the Obama administration might use some of the enhanced techniques in a “ticking time bomb” scenario. What will the administration do now that it has shared the limits of our interrogation techniques with the enemy? President Obama’s decision to release these documents is one of the most dangerous and irresponsible acts ever by an American president during a time of war — and Americans may die as a result. …”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002818.html

Slow Roll Time At Langley

By David Ignatius

“…At the Central Intelligence Agency, it’s known as “slow rolling.” That’s what agency officers sometimes do on politically sensitive assignments. They go through the motions; they pass cables back and forth; they take other jobs out of the danger zone; they cover their backsides.

Sad to say, it’s slow roll time at Langley after the release of interrogation memos that, in the words of one veteran officer, “hit the agency like a car bomb in the driveway.” President Obama promised CIA officers that they won’t be prosecuted for carrying out lawful orders, but the people on the firing line don’t believe him. They think the memos have opened a new season of investigation and retribution.

The lesson for younger officers is obvious: Keep your head down. Duck the assignments that carry political risk. Stay away from a counterterrorism program that has become a career hazard. …”

“…Agency officials also worry about the effect on foreign intelligence services that share secrets with the United States in a process politely known as “liaison.” A former official who remains in close touch with key Arab allies such as Egypt and Jordan warns: “There is a growing concern that the risk is too high to do the things with America they’ve done in the past.”  …”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/21/AR2009042102969.html

Obama and the CIA

A President can’t placate the left and keep America safe.

“…The memos give considerable indication both of the sheer quantity, as well as some of the specifics, of the intelligence gathered through the interrogations. “You have informed us,” wrote Mr. Bradbury in the May 30, 2005 memo, “that the interrogation of KSM — once enhanced techniques were employed — led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles. You have informed us that information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of . . . Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell . . . tasked with the execution of the ‘Second Wave.'”

All in all, Mr. Bybee added, “the intelligence derived from CIA detainees has resulted in more than 6,000 intelligence reports and, in 2004, accounted for approximately half of CTC’s [the CIA’s Counterterrorist Center] reporting on al Qaeda.” …”

“…Instead, the release of the memos has unleashed the liberal mob, with renewed calls in Congress for a “truth commission” and even, perhaps, Judge Bybee’s impeachment and prosecutions of the other authors. Mr. Obama has hinted that while his Administration won’t prosecute CIA officials, it may try to sate the mob by going after Bush officials who wrote the memos.

One major concern here is what Mr. Obama’s decision to release these memos says about his own political leadership. He claims that one of his goals as President is to restore more comity to our politics, especially concerning national security. He also knows he needs a CIA willing to take risks to keep the country safe. Yet Mr. Obama seems more than willing to indulge the revenge fantasies of the left, as long as its potential victims served a different President. And while he is willing to release classified documents about interrogation techniques, Mr. Obama refuses to release documents that more fully discuss their results.

All of this might appease the President’s MoveOn.org base, but he can’t expect to satisfy them without also weakening American intelligence capabilities. The risk-averse CIA that so grievously failed in the run-up to 9/11 was a product of a spy culture that still remembered the Church Committee of the 1970s and the Iran-Contra recriminations of the 1980s. Mr. Obama needs to stop this score-settling now, and he can start by promptly releasing the documents that reveal what the CIA learned from its interrogations. …”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124035706108641065.html

Why Obama Won’t Release ALL the CIA Memos on “Torture”

“…In September 2006 President Bush described how enhanced interrogation techniques spared us from the horror of another day like September 11th but few listened. The Democrats with their allies in the “news” media were more interested in scoring cheap political points by accusing Bush of “torture” for his treatment of the worst of the worst Al Queda terrorists which included Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the man who personally sawed the head off a screaming Daniel Pearl… … and held it up to the cameras for all to see.

Democrats Fully Informed on Interrogations

In the selective memory of Democrats and their media allies it’s easy to forget that Democrats had a much different attitude towards what some now call “torture.” Via Peter Wehner at Commentary Magazine we are reminded of this: …”

 http://www.floppingaces.net/2009/04/21/why-obama-wont-release-all-the-cia-memos-on-torture/

The Memos Prove We Didn’t Torture

The Red Cross was completely wrong about ‘walling

By DAVID B. RIVKIN JR. and LEE A. CASEY

“…All of these interrogation methods have been adapted from the U.S. military’s own Survival Evasion Resistance Escape (or SERE) training program, and have been used for years on thousands of American service members with the full knowledge of Congress. This has created a large body of information about the effect of these techniques, on which the CIA was able to draw in assessing the likely impact on the detainees and ensuring that no severe pain or long term psychological impact would result.

The actual intelligence benefits of the CIA program are also detailed in these memos. The CIA believed, evidently with good reason, that the enhanced interrogation program had indeed produced actionable intelligence about al Qaeda’s plans. First among the resulting successes was the prevention of a “second wave” of al Qaeda attacks, to be carried out by an “east Asian” affiliate, which would have involved the crashing of another airplane into a building in Los Angeles.

The interrogation techniques described in these memos are indisputably harsh, but they fall well short of “torture.” They were developed and deployed at a time of supreme peril, as a means of preventing future attacks on innocent civilians both in the U.S. and abroad.

The dedicated public servants at the CIA and Justice Department — who even the Obama administration has concluded should not be prosecuted — clearly cared intensely about staying within the law as well as protecting the American homeland. These memos suggest that they achieved both goals in a manner fully consistent with American values. …”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124018665408933455.html 

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8 Responses to “The Big Obama Lie: CIA Enhanced Interrogation Techniques Do Not Get Results and Are Torture–Release the Memos Detailing The Results of The Interrogation!”

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Ummmmm…the memos regarding the LA Library attack and the results of the interrogation HAVE been released dude! You can Google them. They prove that we already had the intel WAAAAAYYYYYY before we started using illegal torture tactics ie: Had intel in February, started illegal torture in August. Also, the interrogator responsible for it recently wrote an op/ed piece for the NYT confirming that the illegal torture tactics were completely useless and produced nothing.

In the 90’s, a sheriff and 4 deputies were convicted for using illegal water boarding tactics on prisoners in their jail to gain confessions. The sheriff was sentenced to 10 years and the 4 deputies got 4 years each. Despite the numerous appeals and requests for clemency, the governor denied clemency with the statement “they need to understand there are consequences for their lawlessness”. That sheriff and his 4 deputies were law enforcement officers in the state of Texas. And the governor who issued that statement and denied clemency? Governor George W. Bush. Our former President by his own words and his own admission, knew it was illegal. Google it!

They were not tortured nor was it illegal.

Only some of the documents were leaked that is why Vice President Cheney wants the complete story and documents released.

Nice try but you are using the moral equivalence with you Sheriff and prisoner example.

Combatants are not prisoners.

Combatants or Criminals? How Washington Should Handle Terrorists
Ruth Wedgwood & Kenneth Roth

“…But a war is in fact raging, and criminal law is too weak a weapon. That was the lesson the United States learned too late, on September 11, 2001, after a decade of arresting and trying terrorist suspects. As a former head of the fbi’s Joint Terrorist Task Force has remarked, the U.S. government could not stop al Qaeda bombings by treating them as ordinary homicides. Using such techniques, Washington did manage to take some people off the international street, but it was not able to shut down the offshore camps that taught thousands of al Qaeda recruits how to fight or wire deadly explosives. Nor could prosecutors compel Pakistani and Saudi intelligence agencies to stop subsidizing the Taliban and al Qaeda. Destroying the infrastructure of al Qaeda’s operations has required diplomacy and the use of force as well as criminal law. …”

“…Any defense lawyer sent to the battlefield would advise captured combatants to stop talking, undermining chances of uncovering timely intelligence about al Qaeda’s plans. And criminal law requires that sensitive methods of surveillance be disclosed when they yield information offered as evidence, even though such transparency may prevent intercepting telltale signs of future attacks.

All these restrictions make sense in a civil society, where criminal law can provide adequate deterrence even with a limited success rate in the courtroom. But in the fight against al Qaeda and its compartmentalized network, deterrence does not work. There is no obvious way to dissuade fighters programmed by extremist cults or international terrorist organizations that are not bound by the commitments of nation-states. Half-measures will not do, because the stakes in this war are higher than in many others. Mistakenly releasing a single enemy soldier means little when battles are fought en masse. But in al Qaeda’s asymmetric, high-tech campaign, it takes only a few combatants to destroy scores of innocent civilians. And al Qaeda remains keenly interested in using weapons of mass destruction….”

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/59902/ruth-wedgwood-kenneth-roth/combatants-or-criminals-how-washington-should-handle-terrorists

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